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» Ronan Bradley on the ESB from Elizabeth Book's Integration Watch
Ronan Bradley, formerly of PolarLake, provides a well-reasoned debate on what people are thinking these days when they hear the term Enterprise Service Bus. He mentions recent blog posting of Dave Linthicum, who postulated that the term ESB will be... [Read More]

» Ronan Bradley on the ESB from Elizabeth Book's Integration Watch
Ronan Bradley, formerly of PolarLake, provides a well-reasoned debate on what people are thinking these days when they hear the term Enterprise Service Bus. He mentions a recent blog posting of Dave Linthicum, who postulated that the term ESB will... [Read More]

» Diversity seems to remain the core feature of an ESB from Ronan Bradley's Roads to SOA
Network Computing recently published a pair of articles - a review of eight of the ESB products available and the results from an online poll with 530 respondents (I will talk about the survey and some other views on the... [Read More]

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brenda michelson

Hi Ronan, glad to see you back in the blogosphere!

Thanks for pointing to my cheat sheet.

I'm not particularly enamored with the ESB term (TLA), or the rebranding of old products, but I believe the underlying integration services of the ESB are important, today and in the future. I find it hard to imagine organizations will have a homogeneous platform and never need to interact outside their own walls. And even if that were the case, what are the odds they'd have semantic (dialog) consistency internally?

Let me know (when you can) what you are up to. -brenda

greg

I would suggest the Web model satisfies requirements for a radically "uncentralized" information exchange system, which is not what SOA really attempts to solve: the ESB or WSM products are available precisely because users need a model for their data center, a global model over which they can exercise control and enforce governance requirements. That is very different from the Web, which by design precludes that capability.

This is a critical distinction, which should be clear with a little thought experiment. Ex.: what does it mean to do impact analysis on changes in the Web? Not much, if you value your sanity. However, ask a different question: what does it mean to have impact analysis on changes to your business process? In the latter case, its clear that this is a business critical question.

Loek

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I also notice that of the three items he references as knocking the ESB – one was authored by him at another of his blogspots and a second included quotes from him
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Ronan, my posting was the only reference without quotes from David. Any particular reason why you did not refer to my vision that the ESB is a one-day fly?

Ronan  Bradley

Greg,

Apologies for not explicity referencing your own contribution to this debate.

However, I think I covered your point when I said that I did not see the ESB as a transitionary requirement which disappears once complete SOA is achieved. To a large degree my argument centers on two points:

- ESB is just a name for a type of product and to my mind some people are getting too hung up on whether they like the name or not or too hung up on some quite narrow definitions of what an ESB is (i.e. reliable messaging) as opposed to what an ESB means today which is quite a broad and goes far beyond where Sonic Software started with the term.

- There is an argument that correctly defined services (or smart end points) remove for anything in the middle and in particular for any mediation or perhaps even orchestration. I simply don't agree for the reasons I highlight in the orginal piece.

I hope this clarifies my position on your blog-item.

Ronan

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